Maribeth: “Instantly I awakened to the reality of all that had happened”

Editor:  Maribeth’s well-articulated experience below is an example of flat denial by intentional disregard – when a surgeon performs a skin-sparing mastectomy instead of the agreed-upon flat closure, in order to facilitate future recon “in case you change your mind.”  Some surgeons lack the skill to make the patient flat, but that wasn’t the case here.  Maribeth’s surgeon, in the year of #MeToo, simply decided she knew better than the patient – and there was nothing to stop her from following through with her plan.

I ask medical professionals reading… where is your voice?

Who will protect these patients?

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Maribeth’s result: this is what flat denial by intentional disregard looks like.

I had just come off a year of focusing on my health in a big way -eating clean and losing 60 lbs. in an effort to “take charge” of my body once and for all as I was approaching my mid-50s.  I’ve always been “doctor avoidant,” feeling intimidated and skeptical of traditional medicine and the power structure inherent in that system, only attending to the bottom line, basic health needs such as my annual mammogram. I felt lucky having escaped any serious health issues.

When I was called back for a repeat mammogram in February 2018, I was not alarmed.  I’d been called back on my very first mammogram some 14 years prior which turned out to be of no concern, and the tech this time had warned me that due to my significant weight loss in the past year, I should not be alarmed if I was called back as my breasts might look different in the imaging this time.  Thus, I had no anxiety as I returned, other than a mounting suspicion that something more serious was going on based on observing the faces and actions of the techs, although of course (due to traditional medical protocol) no concerns were shared with me, that is another story…

Fast forward through a stereostatic biopsy (done twice in one sitting) and further imaging, to March 2018 when I was diagnosed with DCIS (ER+ grade 3) in my right breast. As the diagnostic process unfolded I was already feeling kind of duped. I had begun to sense that something wasn’t right, but was the last to know, I was relieved however to at least be assigned a female breast surgeon (Assistant Professor of Surgery, Harvard Medical School, specializing in breast disease, surgery, and surgical oncology). I was aware of the frequent reality that surgeons may not have the best “bedside manner,” but felt comfortable that my surgeon was a woman. I was terrified, she was an expert, and I knew I had to find a way to trust that she would take care of my body, however wary I was of entering the system.

Once lumpectomy with radiation was off the table due to multiple areas of DCIS in my breast, single mastectomy with sentinel node biopsy was the focus. My breast surgeon launched into a discussion on my reconstruction options and set me up with a plastic surgery consult.  There was no mention of going flat. (Until I did my own research, I was not even aware that “flat” was an option)! My surgeon spoke of reconstruction as if part of the cancer treatment itself; reconstruction was simply what was done when one undergoes a mastectomy.

Looking back, the reconstruction consult was an overwhelming and confusing blur as various procedures were discussed in such a matter of fact way. My breasts and belly were handled and maneuvered to determine whether I was a candidate for the “cutting edge” DEIP Flap procedure.  “Looks like there’s enough belly fat for one breast, and given there is ptosis (sagging) in both breasts, we could adjust the other to get a symmetrical look…”  I left in a traumatic state, not wanting any kind of implants in my body, but terrified to endure a longer, more invasive surgery (was not told that reconstruction actually involves multiple surgeries).

On the way home I was reviewing the consult with my partner, repeating what was said about the DIEP Flap. I remember hearing, “you get to have a tummy tuck and new breasts all in one!”  Even though my feminist self had never been an advocate for plastic surgery, I thought “well, at least there’s that I guess…” (Going through the gauntlet of breast cancer treatment and reconstruction options certainly makes one vulnerable to abandoning your own values, especially if you think it will save your life).  My partner looked at me as if an alien had landed in the passenger seat, saying, “Do you realize they will be slicing you open from hip to hip as part of that surgery?” (Later I read that they might even dissect a rib)!

I went home and did my research.

I poured over the online forums outlining reconstruction details and ultimately came across categories such as “living without reconstruction” and “going flat.”  I discussed my options at length with trusted others and ultimately decided to have a double mastectomy.  I knew right off that once this was all over I did not want to endure regular mammograms laden with anxiety and extra precautions that could involve future biopsies, and I wanted a symmetrical appearance as well, so a BMX seemed the only option for me.  Moreover, within the context of my own tribe, I returned to my true self; who I am in this world and what is important to me, and decided the right choice, for me was to decline reconstruction and go flat. I even started to embrace the idea on some level.

In my 2nd appointment with the breast surgeon, I shared my decision – “a one and done” surgery and asked if I chose to stay flat with no reconstruction would she be able to give me a smooth result.  She seemed to be rather surprised. I wished she had given me the time to convey just how deeply I had considered my choice. I had wanted her to know more about why this was the right decision for me personally, but the meeting seemed rushed.  She did respond affirmatively, however, saying I would simply look like “my 10-year-old self…a 10-year-old girl, without nipples.”  She said it could be done, she would do it, however then went on to identify a “one and done” implant option for me to consider and set me up for a second reconstruction consult!

This time on the way home I was furious, feeling that after doing my research and going through a soul-wrenching process, I had made a decision, but had not been heard! (A harbinger of things to come).  Later that afternoon I left a message with the nurse navigator (sadly someone who was also rather unavailable) letting her know that after much deep thought and consideration I indeed wanted to go flat, to please cancel the reconstruction consult, and schedule my surgery.  I was ready and wanted to get the whole thing over with!

I had a bi-lateral mastectomy on May 25, 2018.

The day of surgery, my breast surgeon had a much warmer demeanor and bedside manner about her both before and after the procedure. All I remember was feeling great relief that I made it through the surgery and in my post-surgical haze my surgeon saying, “I left a little extra in case you change your mind down the road…insurance will cover it…”  In that moment I did not know what that meant, I actually said “thank you,” feeling grateful that my body had been in such “expert” hands.  I even sent her a note indicating the same a few days out. I had not looked at my result yet, nor registered the words she spoke to me post-surgery.

I had my drains and dressings removed after a week. The surgeon popped in to have a look.  I felt honored that she personally took me, arm around my shoulder, into the staff bathroom “to look in the mirror together.”  As she expounded on how great the healing looked, pointing to and saying she was able to make short incisions and leave me a little cleavage, I was already dissociated from a painful drain removal and not having anticipated  I would be seeing myself for the first time in this way. I could barely look, only enough to notice much bruising and what seemed to be a lot of swelling. What did I know? She was the expert and was happy, I assumed my “10-year-old chest without nipples” would emerge down the road.  I know differently now.

The next day, my sisters who had been with me prior to surgery were visiting, and joking with me about my drug-induced state before the procedure. I have no memory of the content, but they shared how I was giving the residents a hard time, asking them what they planned to do to me (my sisters know of my cynicism when it comes to the medical profession). Finishing the story, my one sister said, “…so after that exchange the resident pretty much just said, ‘ok you are scheduled to have a skin-sparing mastectomy, see you on the other side…”

“Wait, WHAT???,” a rush of fury and anxiety came over me hearing my sister repeat what the resident said. Suddenly my heart began to pound and my battered chest began to ache as everything came together. Instantly I awakened to the reality of all that had happened; how my surgeon had pushed me toward reconstruction, the words she spoke to me post-surgery, what I saw when the bandages came off, and what I was seeing on a daily basis as my body was healing, but not smoothing out as anticipated. 

Although my sisters and my partner where there the morning of my surgery, and knew I was going flat, they did not understand the term “skin sparing,” so would not have known to say anything at the time, and I was completely out of it, not even remembering speaking with those residents. I still feel haunted by regret that I did not make sure they knew all the terminology prior to that day.

I emailed my surgeon, still feeling compelled to be polite, professional and deferential, sharing my concern about not appearing flat as we spoke like “a 10-year-old girl”, and thought It would be good to be seen to go over it all together. I received what I felt to be a curt and condescending response, talking about my need to give time for healing, I was only a few weeks out from surgery, and in a few months, if I stretch my arms above my head or out to the sides, I will appear flat. She declined my need to meet.  Given her very important and very busy schedule, I decided to set up an appointment with her nurse practitioner, where I more clearly voiced my concerns, and shared that I knew of and had seen other women whose flat results did not look like mine – lumps on my sides, wrinkling fleshy skin, a dimple of some sort –“perhaps it’s swelling,” I said, holding out hope.  Still fearing to reveal what I learned the residents say, I did wonder out loud with her if my surgeon performed a skin-sparing mastectomy, even though I had been clear that I wanted to be flat.  She looked in the notes and said she didn’t see anything stating that, and then minimized my concerns upon examination. She spoke about what she saw and felt and that I did not have any swelling. She said what she was seeing and feeling was ‘just me” (what did that mean?), and the dimple I was referring to was something that probably “just got caught” and could be “cleaned up” later on if I wanted.  I DID NOT WANT THERE TO BE A LATER ON (I screamed in my head)!  She went on to say I was only 3 weeks out, I needed to be patient with my healing, that “all bodies heal differently. More egregiously, she went on to say “…and just because ‘Tiffany and Sally’ look one way, you can’t expect you will look the same….”  I felt my face get hot, wanting to voice my frustration saying (but didn’t), “Firstly, who the hell are Tiffany and Sally (?), and Secondly, I am a 55-year-old woman who just had her boobs amputated! I’ve been traveling this planet much longer than you have. I’m a therapist by profession with a masters degree, and at this point in my life I understand quite well that “all bodies are different!”

Something else happened (or didn’t happen) to my body during my surgery that day, and no one was owning up to it!

After that meeting I fell into a period of despair; feeling gaslighted and powerless, along with a gnawing guilt around feeling anything but grateful given that my pathology report came back clean – no more treatment required.

I stumbled upon Kim’s facebook posts soon after, and learned that I was not alone in my experience of not being heard. Kim framing the experience I had as “Flat Denial” has profoundly resonated with me, helping me to recognize that it was not “just me.” Learning about and from Kim’s reality and so many others has helped me to talk back to the voices in my head that shame and blame me for not speaking up enough; that it’s my own fault that I am not satisfied with my results.  Watching her Not Putting On A Shirt movement develop and evolve continues to inspire and empower me.

I am not yet certain of what I will do next or whether I will consider a surgical repair of the damage done.  I’m still grappling with having wanted a “one and done” surgery, that there is no “medical need” to undergo another surgery given I have NED (no evidence of disease), yet being forced into a situation where I would have to undergo another surgery, “return to the scene of the crime.” if you will, just for cosmetic reasons (even if it is “covered by insurance.”)  Unfortunately today, the option of having surgery for “cosmetic reasons” now has deep emotional/psychological trauma attached to it, yet I fear I may not be able to find peace with myself without a second surgery.

What I do know, whatever unfolds, is that I Will Not return to my previous providers, I Will seek out a surgeon who is aligned with my thinking, without a stake in the game, who can tell me the truth about what happened,  AND, I will make sure to remember that I alone know what is best for my body.

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Ironically, my pathology report came back indicating that I had pre-cancerous cells in my unaffected breast that would have developed into invasive breast cancer, providing me further validation of my desire to undergo the bmx, and that I do know myself, what I want, and acted in my own best interest in spite of the noise.  We should be able to trust our medical providers to listen and do the same on our behalf.

Guidelines for Victims of Flat Denial: Navigating the Aftermath

Not Putting on a Shirt has written new guidelines to help victims of flat denial navigate the aftermath of this traumatic experience.  The guidelines include:

  • Taking care of your emotional well-being
  • Ensuring that you receive proper medical care
  • Considering revision surgery
  • Finding a new surgeon
  • Steps you can take to get justice

You can access form letters and templates to use in your efforts to get justice here.

An excerpt from the guidelines’ introduction, Our Message to Victims:

Did you decide against breast reconstruction, and agree on a flat closure in consult with your surgeon prior to the operation? Did you wake up to a result that is nowhere near “flat”? It may be a moderate amount of excess tissue that was left, or it may rise to the level of what’s called a “skin-sparing” procedure which essentially leaves “deflated breasts” to facilitate implant reconstruction. And/or it may be that the closure was done carelessly amd inexpertly, resulting in puckering, folds/creases, significant “dog ears,” and other uncomfortable and unsightly not-flat outcomes. In either case, if you suspect that you are a victim of flat denial, we are here to tell you: this is NOT your fault, and you’re not alone. This happens to women all the time, unfortunately. And until we can put a stop to it, women are going to have to deal with the aftermath.”

– Guidelines for Victims of Flat Denial: Navigating the Aftermath

If you have questions or comments, or if you would like to have this document sent to you directly either via email or the postal service, please email us at NotPuttingonaShirt@gmail.com

To access our curated list of “flat-friendly” surgeons, please send us an email.

Together, we WILL put an end to flat denial!

How to Ensure You Get an Acceptable Surgical Result: Guidelines for Patients

Not Putting on a Shirt has created an informational brochure (UPDATED!) for patients who have chosen to go flat after mastectomy, to help patients protect themselves from flat denial.  Every patient deserves to have the cosmetic result that they choose following mastectomy, and to have that done in one surgery whenever possible.  Since right now it’s a gamble whether or not the surgeon that a patient first encounters will respect their wishes, patients must educate ourselves and support each other.  That’s why we’re here!

This printable trifold brochure describes why women choose to go flat, the current risky situation patients face, how to evaluate whether your surgeon will respect your wishes and produce a flat result, and specific steps you can take to protect yourself.  It also includes images of acceptable and unacceptable surgical results from patients who asked to be flat after mastectomy, so that patients can show their surgeons exactly what they expect.  Brochure highlights and images below:


Going Flat After Mastectomy?

How to Ensure You Get an Acceptable Surgical Result: Guidelines for Patients

  • Going Flat: Your Body, Your Decision
    • There are many reasons a woman may choose to opt out of breast reconstruction, or “go flat,” following mastectomy.  It’s your decision.
  • Expectations: Patients vs. Surgeons
    • Choosing to go flat does NOT mean that the woman doesn’t care about the way she looks, or that she simply hasn’t decided to reconstruct yet, but will do so eventually.
    • Patients expect a flat result when they decide against reconstruction – they don’t anticipate a surgeon simply removing the breast and not prioritizing a truly flat contour. But, all too often, that is exactly what happens – flat denial.
  • Why Does Flat Denial Happen?

A gap in early between patient and surgeon, lack of training for breast surgeons, and paternalism.

  • How to Ensure You Get a Good Flat Result
    • Communicate your decision and your expectations. Be speciric – you want a flat contour in one surgery.
    • Evaluate your surgeon’s response – if you get pushback, consider a new surgeon.
    • Consider bringing on a plastic surgeon for the closure
  • Questions to Ask Your Surgeon

Have they performed flat closures for previous patients? Ask to see pictures.

Will they be able to complete the job in one surgery?

How will they address any challenges like large breasts or obesity?

Should you expect concavity, and how will this be addressed?

How will they avoid “dog ears”? How far back on the lateral chest will the incisions extend?

A single straightsincision may be insufficient to create a flat contour. What incision pattern will your surgeon use, and why?

How will they account for gravity’s? Will they mark you in a sitting position either before or during surgery?

  • Protect Yourself:  Documenting Your Wishes
    • Bring a witness to your surgical consults
    • Put your decision to go flat in writing
    • Show your surgeon pictures of your desired outcome Screenshot (15)
      • Ask your surgeon confirm to the mutually agreed upon goal – a flat contour –  in writing
      • Ask if your surgical consent form can specify “flat”
      • Trust your intuition! If you feel uncertain about your surgeon’s commitment or competence, you should seek a second opinion with another surgeon.

If you have questions or comments, or if you would like to have the brochure sent to you directly either via email or the postal service, please email us at NotPuttingonaShirt@gmail.com

To access our curated list of “flat-friendly” surgeons, please send us an email.

Together, we WILL put an end to flat denial!

“Going flat doesn’t mean just breast removal… it means being flat and having a nice chest contour” – Dr. Minas Chrysopoulo

DiepCFoundation patient advocate Terri Coutee has written an insightful article from the perspective of a woman who chose reconstruction, and who advocates for educating patients about their reconstruction options.  She read about flat denial in Catherine Guthrie’s Cosmopolitan article and was saddened by the victimization and trauma that the women featured were describing.  Terri remembers how difficult it was for her to look at her own skin-sparing result following mastectomy, even though she wanted and expected that result as she was planning on delayed reconstruction.  Victims of flat denial, on the other hand, are often left with a skin-sparing result against their consent, and it is just another layer of trauma for these women.  Terri says, rightly:

“[We] have a right to choose what our bodies will ultimately look like after surgery…

The Responsibility for Aesthetic Outcomes Ultimately Lies on the Surgeon.

This is true of both breast surgeons and plastic surgeons who are part of the surgical process for mastectomy patients.”

– Terri Coutee, Patient Advocate at DiepCFoundation

In the article, Terri links to a video entitled Aesthetic Questions to Ask Your Surgeon if Going Flat after Mastectomy, in which she interviews two plastic surgeons from PMRA in San Antonio, TX, including Dr. Minas Chrysopoulo, the creator of the Breast Advocate app.  Both surgeons recommend that women who choose to go flat after mastectomy consult with plastic surgeons in order to maximize the quality of their cosmetic result.  Dr. Chrysopoulo was clear that patients expect a decent flat result when they decide against reconstruction – they don’t anticipate a surgeon simply removing the breast and making no good faith attempt to achieve a truly flat contour:

“So, going flat doesn’t mean just breast removal. It means being flat and having a nice chest contour – not having significant contour defects if they can be avoided… the choice not to reconstruct leads you down another pathway that in itself, going flat, is an in-depth conversation in terms of expectations so that you actually get what you expect to get and what you want to get… plastic surgery techniques are very, very helpful for women who don’t wish to have reconstruction.” – Dr. Minas Chrysopoulo, Plastic Surgeon

Unfortunately, as we now know, in cases of intentional disregard, even a skilled plastic surgeon that the patient hires solely to perform a flat closure can unilaterally choose to leave excess tissue against the patient’s consent, and they will not be held accountable (see Kim’s story).  But as Dr. Garza advises below, as the patient, you can minimize this risk by selecting a surgeon who has a proven track record of producing decent flat closures.  If your surgeon has not done a flat closure in the past, or if they are unwilling to share photos to illustrate what type of result you can reasonably expect… it would be prudent to find another surgeon.  The full video and transcript are below:

Aesthetic Questions to Ask Your Surgeon if Going Flat after Mastectomy

YouTube video (April 24, 2018) link

Host: Terri Coutee, patient advocate at DiepCFoundation,”providing education and resources to empower women and men with information to make an informed decision about options for breast reconstruction after a mastectomy”

Transcript (by Not Putting on a Shirt)

Terri:  Hi, this is Terri Coutee from DiepCFoundation.  I have an important topic that I would like to bring up today with Dr.s Ramon Garza [left] with Dr. Minas Chrysopoulo [right].  When a woman faces a mastectomy, which I have, we have choices. We have choices to reconstruct our breast, or not. So when a woman goes into a surgeon’s office, what discussion should they have with their surgeon if they choose not to have reconstruction and they choose to go flat?  Gentlemen, I’ll let you take over.

Dr. Chrysopoulo: Great question.  So… When you ask a lady who wants to go flat, why? Part of that discussion, it’s important to realize what their expectations are.  So, going flat doesn’t mean just breast removal. It means being flat and having a nice chest contour – not having significant contour defects if they can be avoided.  Not having issues with clothing because of tissue that’s been left behind on the side of the chest. Some women, I’ve seen several women who already know ahead of time that they want to go flat and they want to have a very elaborate tattoo…  Well, what they have left behind to tattoo is important, in terms of contour, in terms of the chest wall contour.

So there are ways in which a mastectomy is performed that will determine what that person is left with. So I’ve seen a handful of quite unhappy patients.  The women are not unhappy with their decision not to reconstruct, they were unhappy with what they were left with by going flat. “This isn’t what I had in my mind… I”m not flat…I’m actually concave, there’s this big defect in the middle, I can feel my chest bone, my ribs, there’s excess tissue left behind everywhere else… I’m not even at all. I’m not flat, I’m uneven.”

So the choice not to reconstruct leads you down another pathway that in itself, going flat, is an in-depth conversation in terms of expectations so that you actually get what you expect to get and what you want to get. So I’ve actually done fat grafting on ladies who choose to go flat just to fix the contour so that they are truly flat and not concave. There are other things you can do for the tissue that’s left behind on the side to fix the contour there over the outer part of the chest.  So ironically, more plastic surgery techniques are very, very helpful for women who don’t wish to have reconstruction.

Terri:   That’s good information.  In terms of that, Dr. Garza, really, going flat is an aesthetic question too, and they could ask their breast surgeon, their plastic surgeon, tell me about the scarring.  What kind of questions should they be asking prior to the mastectomy if they decide to go flat, about the scarring?

Dr. Garza:  And those are all great questions. With respect to the scar, in general the scar is going to be a longitudinal line going horizontally across the chest.  That’s the typical scar pattern left when somebody goes flat. The biggest thing I think is patient selection. Not every patient has the same body shape, some patients have a wider chest, extra tissues as Dr. Chrysopoulo said, on the sides, that’s just part of their normal anatomy.  When going flat, that tissue becomes more apparent. And a lot of times patients are unhappy, who have gone flat initially because they feel that tissue is more prominent now, and it is relative to the tissue deficiency in the front that area becomes more prominent and that’s something that they weren’t expecting.

So I think, seeing patient pictures, talking to your general surgeon who’s doing the cancer surgery and also talking to a plastic surgeon even if you don’t want to have any reconstruction per se, you want to choose to go flat, that’s a discussion to have with a plastic surgeon who has experience seeing patients that have made that decision and may have had a similar body type to you, and they kind of help with the expectation aspect of things.

Terri:  Which I would call the aesthetic outcome. Because we know that breast reconstruction is a choice. Going flat is a choice. Great information gentlemen, thank you so much.

Let’s be clear that in cases of flat denial, the patient has specifically requested a flat result, their surgeon has agreed to do their best to achieve a flat result, and then the patient wakes up to a distinctly NOT FLAT result.  This happens either through intentional disregard or through lack of care/skill.

When a patient requests a flat result… it is incumbent upon the surgeon to be honest about whether or not they can achieve that, and if they cannot, to bring on plastics or refer the patient.  No patient should wake up feeling betrayed by their surgeon.  If the patient’s expectations, as discussed in consult, were enormously divergent from what they have woken up to after surgery… was that patient adequately informed going in?  Clearly not.  And if they were not informed, did they give informed consent? No.

As Terri says in her article, the responsibility for aesthetic outcomes ultimately lies with the surgeon.

“It’s Your Body – Your Choice” Dr. Patricia Clark Speaks About Flat Closure

Dr. Patricia Clark, a breast surgeon who specializes in oncoplastic breast surgery techniques (lumpectomy as well as flat closure), has made a short video in support of patients who wish to go flat after mastectomy.

“It’s your body – it’s your choice.” – Dr. Patricia Clark, Breast Surgeon

It bears repeating: women who choose to go flat deserve acceptable cosmetic results.  Surgeons must be held accountable for treating us with the same honesty, dignity, and respect afforded to our sisters who choose to reconstruct.

Thank you, Dr. Clark, for being a voice for women!